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A Necessary Acknowledgment!

Apparently the surname of Bartlett that I've been using for my William, has already been in use by sangpassionne for all of her fictions.

She and I have been in touch, and I've agreed to find another name for future fics. She knows I never meant to step on her toes and we're all happy families over it.

**smooches Josey!**

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karbear57
Jul. 26th, 2004 12:39 pm (UTC)
You may ignore because it is a rant
Not to step on anyone's toes or offend anyone, but author's can't "own" specific names. I understand someone might feel like they created the name, but in truth, that name has been around a lot longer than the writer. I go out and look for English Surnames and if the one I choose just happens to be one that someone else has used, I'm sorry, but I'm using it, too. I don't try and copy anyone's name and I certainly don't have malicious intent, but a last name is a last name and if it fits the character (namely Spike) then so be it.

I understand why you would change it from now on, but I just don't understand the "it's my last name and you can't use it" mentality.
sangpassionne
Jul. 26th, 2004 12:52 pm (UTC)
Re: You may ignore because it is a rant
I agree with you on principle, which is why I didn't say anything when Andrea used it in her first story. But when she continued to use it, it began to grate. The thing is, yes, names are just names, and no one 'owns' them but names carry associations. Of all the possible surnames she could have used, Andrea chose the one I've been using for three years, and personally, if I discovered I was using a surname for any canon characters that another had customarily used before me, I would want to know. Simply because their interpretation of a canon character and mine maybe at odds and using the same surname may cause unwanted resonances in my readers. I guess it's a YMMV thing.

Anyway, the important thing is there's no hard feelings. Thanks, Andrea.
moxie_fic
Jul. 26th, 2004 03:27 pm (UTC)
Hi just jumping in here. It's an interesting argument, but the funny thing is that we're all using the same name already - Buffy and Spike. And to a certain extent we're all writing the same story about the same characters. I'm one of the huge tribe who use William Giles and I think we all feel we invented it ourselves, which is funny really. The argument could run on to story themes and again, there are only so many permutations on plot. Andrea's a lovely lady though, isn't she? Ladyanne, (we're mutual betas) and I used the same name for something in one of each of our stories and it didn't bother me one jot. Neither would it bother me if anyone used the same plot as me, as it's just bound to happen in the narrow world of fanfic. (As long as they weren't obviously ripping me off) Interesting discussion.
wackinessensues
Jul. 26th, 2004 06:37 pm (UTC)
LOL, I think the issue made here was that most of us do not at all consider that we are 'writing the same story'. We work as hard as we can to make our stories unique and give them our own nuances. While I have purposely never given Spike or Angel a surname simply because I hate being Jossed, it is a situation where the research that goes into it makes the name a bit of a signature. Peasant had a fabulous essay once on why she called Spike by a certain surname based on navy nicknames and I think that anyone who chose to use *that* name would be very hard pressed to avoid the rath of Peasant and her fans, much the same as this situation. The idea is to keep each story and style from blending into the big melting pot of fic and becoming the same story.
moxie_fic
Jul. 26th, 2004 07:40 pm (UTC)
Hi, I just meant that we were already writing characters with the same name. Yes, I can see how adding a surname would individualise the story more as the melting pot is a real danger since we're all writing Buffy and Spike (or whatever) There's not a lot anyone can do if someone wants to use the same one though. They would probably just argue that it's a completely different story anyway. Funny, I happily use Giles as do a lot of people and it's never once crossed my mind to be bothered about it. Or that I have any rights to it. Probably because, as you say, my William Giles is completley different to all the other William Giles' out there.

Cheers:-))
ex_just_kumi863
Jul. 27th, 2004 05:49 am (UTC)
The idea is to keep each story and style from blending into the big melting pot of fic and becoming the same story.


I agree completely. But instead of worrying about a name wouldn't the construction of the plot, writing style, and characters nuances be what separates the stories? I've read works by both authors and they are as different as night and day. Both lovely but both very different. A surname alone could never do what the writing accomplishes.
ex_just_kumi863
Jul. 27th, 2004 05:37 am (UTC)
I don't understand. It's a common surname used by writers (besides you two there is also BloodyMiry who used it in 2002 and I know I've seen it elsewhere, especially with the all human stories out there.). Why does one writer have the right to claim the name as theirs? It's the story and the tale that defines the character not a surname.

It would be one thing if Josey had named William, William Michael Fredrick Sinclair Robert Bartlett and you had used the same name. It would definitely reek of copying but this is just a simple name. And as to the Peasant having a last name for William that is special to her and that her fans would lynch anyone for daring to use it - have to admit to being hard pressed to remember the name and I'm a big fan of the woman's work.

Sorry to rant, but this request comes off as a bit petty. It's one thing to say "hey we used the same name, great minds think a like"; it's another thing to request the author stop using the name. It comes across as a Cease and Desist order.
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